Progressive Seasons

Gearhead,

Why do you want to complicate things? If you award SPP to people during a tourny that applys to a league.. Ill tell you right now, Im out for season 2. First- this adds yet another disadvantage to ANY new comer that wants to join in for season 2 but cant make the tourny (assuming we are still aiming for a perpetual league) and we all know there are higher skilled coaches among us that will take advantage of this (like they need any more help). Second- Im guessing this also means that anybody that dosent use the same race in this tourny as there league race cant apply the SPP. If thats not correct then Ill take a totally nasty, bashy team to the tourny to bolster my league team... That sounds like: " Cry foul!!" to me.
Some times its better to keep it simple. Every successful event I have ever run was because the rules were simple to follow and not overly complicated; Thats how you get new players into these games... keep it simple. Besides if you offer SPP to league folks for this tourny its going to take out some of the fun factor. And after the brutal game I played against crispy.. where I LOST, yet had a really good game, because were playing to have fun! (Yes I know everybody would rather win than loose, but can you enjoy a game regardless of the out come?)...lets face it, if you offer paper rewards that will apply for the next few months, all the league players are going to play for keeps and anybody that is signed up just to play a dead game for fun, is going to suffer the wrath and potentially not be interested in joining at all.
Keep in mind your trying to attract players, not scare them away

Thats my $0.02

well im already confused.... thats why i posted
By the way how many perpetual leagues have you played in?
But, what ever, see you on the pitch.

FroggeR

Sorry to cause problems..... problems no more.

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i have played in perpetual leagues, in fact I played in a perpetual league that lasted the better part of 3 years and continues today...so that league has been going consistently without significant issue for well over a decade. Like 12 years. As in, they have played and run the same league with almost no rule changes beyond LRB changes for almost 1/3 of my life. It's not complex. Bashy teams win as often as non-bashy. Kris played in it as well (for those of you who remember Kris from the previous league).
It's possible and it's kept simple. I've even linked their website in the past, but for whatever reason we've never tried to emulate what they do.
Frog is right. If good coaches are provided additional items they will absolutely take advantage of them. I know I will, and I'm the type of asshole who'll wait for the best possible advantage to utilize with one of my better played teams. Hell, Frog may even have had me in mind when he wrote that and I take no offense because he's dead on correct. And I am not ashamed to admit it.
Also, Frog...cause problems. That's how people are heard. That's how things are changed for the better with constructive criticism and dialogue. If you think there's a problem by all means shout it out. Get pissed. It's your league as much as it is any other person's. I'm pretty sure no one is in the league just to tear it down. We all want to make it better, it's just that some people view "better" in different ways. Some people want to be able to craft a team skill-wise and see what it's like to have the ideal team. Some want to keep it low key to see who the better coaches are. Some want to just play tourney-type formats. Everyone has an idea of what their ideal league would be, but we can only play by one set of rules. So we discuss, we vote, we move on. If we need more discussion, we do so. But if you see a problem, you should never feel as though you're bothering someone with your ideas.
I had some huge differences with how the league rules were shaping up to look like in the beginning and half expected to get the boot prior to season start. Season started, rules were set, and that's that. I will bring up the same issues between seasons, because that's when rule discussions should happen. In between tourneys is the same way. Now is the time to shape the tourney to be ideal, if you see a problem speak now. If you have a solution, even better.
In my opinion, the end goal of this league should be to improve the play of every coach constantly. This improvement should be to the point where any coach in this league could go to Chicago or Vancouver and have a decent shot at coming out ahead in either of the big boy tourneys. We aren't there yet, but I think we can be.

Again, if you need my help for Mayhem, I can laptop a two day event, but we should start planning rules now so they can be finalized soon.

I've never had a problem with any comments or ideas. I'll hash it out with anybody, but that's how things get done. I will never be the one to just say, "We're going by the rulebook 100%, nothing extra." I will always want to try to make things better, funner and more efficient. This is my favorite game of all-time, but it's not even close to being a great game IMO. It has grey area throughout and balance issues galore. That's just the start.
I want input and ideas. I will probably annoy and piss all of you off. Fine. How else are we going to get what WE want??!!
PMBBL is owned by every coach. I was even gonna throw up the idea of voting for a new commissioner every season. Or even co-commissioners. These first few seasons were targeted to be perpetual. I have played one off seasons and did not enjoy them much. I like the thought of not just playing, but developing a team. We have tons to decide in the off-season. Frankly, I think we should continue into season 2. How we bring in new teams is still undetermined. We could always run a totally different, separate one off season. There is also the idea of each coach having several teams loaded into OBBLM at different Team Values, that can be pick and choose for the coach during tourney or league starts. Like I said, tons of ideas.

One idea I've seen to keep TV under control in perpetual leagues is a salary cap. So at the beginning of any season, all teams must be under a certain TV (1500, for instance). If you're over you gotta fire people. Just throwin' it out there.

But I don't think tourney games should be used to build SPPs for league play.

Here's my idea utilizing the current house rules format:

Pitch Masters Blood Bowl League
House Rules
Perpetual League

League Fee
The league fee is $10. This money will go towards the first place trophy, the runner up, and the last place team (The Wooden Spoon Award). The last place team gets their entry fee returned, the remainder of the funds are split between the top two teams in a 75/25 split minus the trophy cost.

Sportsmanship
Poor sportmanship will not be tolerated. It can include foul language, yelling, taunting, quitting, fighting, racial or gender remarks and anything else considered belligerent, derogatory, unfair or out of order. Immediate action for a coach with poor sportmanship conduct is forfeit of the game. Their second offense will result in indefinite suspension from the league. Any coach can file a misconduct motion whenever needed.

Schedules
Coaches do not have to attend official league nights, so contact your opponent ASAP to schedule matches. Matches can take place anywhere each coach agrees to play. Each match has a two week time frame to be played. This may be extended at any time if the league is having issues getting games played. If a game cannot be played within the 2 week time frame, it can be postponed, but must be played prior to the beginning of the playoff tournament schedule. A team can only postpone 1 match at a time, and can only postpone 2 matches total during the season.

There will be a fixed schedule set prior to the season start.

Commitment
Dropping a coach has a significant effect on the season and the rest of the teams in the league. Please commit to playing an entire season before joining the league. Coaches may drop freely after the regular season has concluded. If that coach were to make the playoffs, the seeds below that coach would move up one spot.

Coaches Rules

- The 3 “expansion” teams; Underworld, Slann, and Chaos Pact may be used.

- Teams do not have to be fully painted, but must be fully modeled and numbered. Fully modeled means a complete model, with all arms and legs and heads attached. Having positions diverse in some way also makes things much easier for both coaches, and keeps the match more competitive. Complete teams (fully modeled, painted, flocked, permanently numbered, etc.) will receive a complimentary permanent re-roll. This can be granted throughout the year once the team is complete.

- No Illegal procedure will be used. Remind one another.

- Obscenely large models may not be used.

- Timers are optional, but if one coach desires the use of a timer, then both coaches must use the timer.

- Overtime is as per the LRB with the exception that if OT ends in a tie, then the game is considered a tie.

- All inducements are used, except wizards and mercenaries.

INJURIES

- If a team is challenged to field 11 players at the beginning of a match, the coach must bring in a journeyman to bring the total to 11 active players. See Journeyman rules, per Competition rulebook.(See numbered paragraphs 6 & 7 under post match sequence.)

MVP points are also used. 5 points per match to a randomly selected player. Roll the appropriate dice for the number of players. Rolling on a dead player grants a re-roll.

Dead players grant $10,000 Gold additional to winnings at the end of the match to the coach suffering the loss.

Playoff Tournament Qualification

The number of teams qualifying for the playoffs will be based on the number of coaches at the beginning of the season.

4-8 Coaches: Top 4 Teams
9-15 Coaches: Top 6 Teams (Top two places receive a first round bye)
16+ Coaches: Top 8 Teams

1. The top teams in the league will be put in the league title
tournament. It will be a bracket system. #1 vs #8, #2 vs #7, etc.

Seed Determination and Tie Breakers:
1) Overall Win Percentage
2) Head to head record.
3) TD Ratio (TD For/TD Against) + CS Ratio (CS For/CS Against)
4) Team Value (Highest Wins)
5) Coin Flip


There are three seasons: Preseason, Regular Season, and the Post Season
House Rules are set prior to preseason play. Once rules are set they will not be changed unless there is a blatant and obvious misinterpretation of the rules. Open Rules Discussion begins during the last week of the regular season for the next season.

Preseason:
Coaches may play up to four games to get a team ready for an upcoming season. These games are created on a challenge basis. Refusing a challenge costs a coach 1 game. A coach may change teams during the preseason, but any games already played count against the four game limit. Coaches may take a "bye" week to rest injuries, but must do so at the conclusion of their previous match. It will be part of the post game report. Rest weeks count as 1 game. Coaches may not play each other consecutively, but may play each other multiple times in a single preseason. Further discussion needed if there is only 1 or 2 coaches in the preseason.

Regular Season: Spiraling Expenses comes into effect at 1,750K with a 150K step which continues into the playoffs as well.

Post Season: Prior to beginning the post season, each coach must announce if their team is returning for a second season. If the team is not returning, it is retired. The coach now creates a new team and may play in the preseason with their new team. If a coach is returning with their new team and makes the playoffs, they will not be allowed any additional games beyond their playoff run. Coaches who do not make the playoffs may challenge one other non-playoff qualifying team to play. Coaches who do not make the playoffs may opt to use this one game as a rest week. Coaches who make the playoffs may not take advantage of a rest week, regardless of their team's final outcome.

Helpful links:

www.bloodbowl.com

fumbbl.com/help:LRB6ChaosPactSetUp