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Post by Beerox on May 22, 2013 13:43:03 GMT -7
Timer and IP should both definitely be out, we have a near-consensus on those. I will assume that any new players wouldn't like them either. I'm not gonna ring up some new guy while he's reading through passing rules.
I have 1 or 2 other objections to the book, but life's rough. There's really only two dealbreaker rules in my mind.
Any long-term league type of rules problems... well I would love to encounter them cause that means we've played for a while.
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Post by misterhobbs on May 22, 2013 17:19:30 GMT -7
In my experience, even in leagues that use timers, looking up rules is an untimed thing. Other items such as the Pass Block or Dump Off plays are also untimed. Personally, I'm still for the timer  Then again, I started in a league where we used the IP and timer. They do add a certain amount of excitement...  |
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Post by frankusmacimus on May 22, 2013 18:04:05 GMT -7
My main modification , if we all agree to an open format would be to limit the number of games you can play the same opponent and a minimum number of matches in a season to qualify for the play offs.
We would also want to have the scoring and play off brackets and tie breakers designated beforehand just to avoid confusion. I think high seed vs low seed would be good with a bye if we have an uneven number of coaches.
I'll post details/ suggestions later and look forward to seeing what other suggestions people have.
-FJ
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Post by metalhed on May 22, 2013 19:19:21 GMT -7
I am for No Timers and IP. The rest should be open game. Hell yeah, Im gonna save up for the craziest card and wizard smack down. I think the GW rules book should be the rules set and we only need to tweak a few tiny things
Game On
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Post by baelnic on May 22, 2013 20:47:09 GMT -7
I'd vote for not Wednesday/Thurs/Friday Monday/Tues aren't ideal but better than those three. |
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Post by frankusmacimus on May 23, 2013 7:22:47 GMT -7
I guess one big question remains, is who is going to be commissioner. We've got some good ideas and input going but we need to make sure the commish is good with implementing these changes/ideas.
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Post by Gearhead on May 23, 2013 9:06:10 GMT -7
I'm not sure a commissioner is the way to go. I think something like this has always needed a committee of a sort. Sure, you need a few admin folks to spearhead mods or get things rolling from time to time. Also 1 or 2 very trusted souls to run OBBLM, but as far as a single figure to go to for everything; I think a committee is better. Voting can take much longer and can be a pain sometimes, but in the long run, it makes for a better, stronger league. If the vote is to have a single commissioner, then that's what happens. Just look at this post though. Things are getting worked out by everyone, as it should be IMO.
P.S. - Not a fan of the cards. Takes too much away from the core of the game for me. Also slows it down a little. Wizards make it too easy to sway, win, or stop another team from winning with a little bit of gold and an easy roll. I'm more about coaching skills and balance.
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Post by Beerox on May 23, 2013 9:43:29 GMT -7
IMO we need a commish. The buck has to stop somewhere, for simplicity's sake as much as anything.
People can still chime in with opinions, and the commish can consult whomever he wants to consult. If he needs more help he can delegate.
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Post by slidedog on May 23, 2013 9:53:18 GMT -7
The buck has to stop somewhere, a good commissioner listens to the league and then at the point a decision has to be made makes it. We could have multiple commissioners so that they can cover each other and such, but they would have to be in solid communication. I think as a group we have proven we can talk about things forever, with tweaks and adjustments, and a bit of bickering now and again, but at some point it just has to be decided so we can move ahead.
For instance we need to decide what direction we are taking with the rules quickly so we can start scheduling league nights.
A couple of thoughts on some of the earlier posts.
I am not for limiting matches between certain coaches, but maybe certain teams. If I keep showing up and only one other coach shows up each time as well, I am darn well going to play him, we're there. I would make every effort to play different coaches, but they have to show. worst case I would play the same coach a lot but would probably switch up the teams I am using so that I can learn new stuff.
I'm not particularly worried about playoffs and such. Honestly don't care, looking to have a good time and learn different play styles and strategies. Guess I don't really need the pat on the back of a trophy or the bragging rights of winning the league. I hope that by playing club ball a lot I would learn enough to be more effective in tourneys, that would be enough for me.
The problem with Monday/ Tuesday is that a lot of game stores and venues we could use are either closed or close quite early on those days, but if baelnic can find a spot and set it up, I'm game for a Monday now and again, but Tuesdays are out for me, I have a previous long term commitment on Tuesdays for the foreseeable future, but if it works for other go for it.
I sort of like some of the crazy rules, with wizards and such, though I haven't encountered them much as yet. Seems it would make you deal with adversity and quickly adjust your strategy at times. But again I am all about having fun and increasing my knowledge of the game.
I'm with Beerox, no IP, and no timers until such a time as it is a problem. Both of those rules would be a turn off to new and inexperienced players. Other than that I am down with sticking with the rulebook for everything else, even the long term spiraling expenses and such so we don't end up with 3000k teams and such.
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Post by frankusmacimus on May 23, 2013 10:24:03 GMT -7
I agree that a good commissioner can make decisions on certain issues and set forth the rules as they will be played. I also think that bigger issues can be handled by the league using polls to handle voting. I haven't played too much or too well with the poll system on the site but I think the commish can put things to a vote of the league members and as long as we have a majority of the players voting we can make rules changes.
My post may not have been clear, but I did mean limit the number of times you can play a certain team, not coach. We all want to play games and having to miss out because only one other coach shows up consistently on the night you can play is tough. I'm not sure how easy (or appealing) it is for everyone to field multiple teams but I would probably enter two teams into the league.
I like the play-offs because the atmosphere is different than the regular season. I think it plays more like a tournament than a regular league game. I'm not super competitive but there is something to be said for bragging rights/trophies.
I agree that Mondays and Tuesdays tend to be tougher to schedule due to hours. I do think that by identifying the nights people can most easily play will help us find a venue to accommodate us.
As for the rules, I'm pretty happy with the rules as written. I think the tweaking should be minimal. I've never really played with the cards but they do add another level of complexity and strategy to the game.
--FJ
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Post by slidedog on May 23, 2013 11:19:21 GMT -7
A playoff tourney seeded by a team's win/loss or points would work fine. At least then we could use the teams we have built up in a tourney. I'd be for using incentives just like league play for the weaker teams in the tourney as well.
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Post by metalhed on May 23, 2013 19:22:22 GMT -7
Tory for Club Commissioner!
Thursdays for game night
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Post by misterhobbs on May 23, 2013 21:58:58 GMT -7
One commish. As was previously mentioned, a good commish listens to others then makes the decision. A good commish knows the rules and the effects of implementing or not implementing a rule. I would say we need to have a rule dictating match up limits, but we have to realize some people only have a team or two, or maybe even just one. I would hate for only two coaches to show up with just one team each for several weeks and have no other options. I would hope there would be communication as to who is going to the night so that potential problems could be avoided. Alternatively, we may have to consider allowing proxy models for people so they can get different matches in.
Playoffs don't need to be complex, go by W/L/T. When in doubt, utilize NFL rules for playoff match ups. I'm pretty sure a system that works for a multi-billion dollar industry will be ok for us.
New player reactions to IP and timers vary, but ultimately the goal is to gain new players.
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Post by Beerox on May 29, 2013 12:28:11 GMT -7
Quiet around here. Is there a plan? Are we planning to have a plan? We should plan on that.
Re: COMMISH: Well... who has a desire to be commish? Let's see some hats in the ring.
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Post by frankusmacimus on May 29, 2013 14:49:26 GMT -7
I was curious about the same thing. I see only 4 coaches have voted in the poll so another question is do we have the critical mass/interest to run a league. I'm thinking we may only have 6-7 coaches right now so it'd be good to confirm interest.
I know we're coming off a holiday so we may want to give it a few days for people who may be traveling but we should probably do a roll call of who's in.
As far as Commish, I'd be happy to step up but I'm the new guy so I will happily support anyone who steps up and has the trust of the group.
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Then again, I started in a league where we used the IP and timer. They do add a certain amount of excitement... 
